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DeeVeeEight
11/30/2007 5:40:54 PM
Some of us have bought our Corvettes finished and ready to drive and show. Some others have bought "bargains" and nursed them back to health in some fashion or other. What is your preference and would you do it again? Would you do it differently? a bigger engine or a different transmission, suspension or anything like that?
 
Tell us your story!
 

 
Pictures are welcome too!
Flying Low
11/30/2007 6:37:24 PM
I have asked Santa for a big block, and a second vette to put it in. Will have my '72 for the rest of my life!


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C3 Starship
11/30/2007 6:51:18 PM
I wanted to answer two choices.
Buy a fixer upper, and upgrade the engine and tranny.
( suspension too  )
Just read my sig, it tells the story!
Do it again? In a heartbeat!
 
 
( already thinkin' about a 632 cid "High Deck", there is no end to the possibilities with these fabulous cars  )
73shark
11/30/2007 6:57:46 PM
Kind of depends on who did the restoration.  You can get trapped with a ten footer and when you get it home, find out that bubba was the lead mech. 
Texas Jim
12/1/2007 2:23:49 PM
   I bought mine from the original owner and it was a very well taken care of car.  It was kept in a garage all of it's life.  I got all the maintenance records with the car and they showed that the oil was changed religously and the engine is healthy and doesn't burn any oil.  I feel that I did the right thing buying this car "ready to go" as I got it for a very fair price.
   With this specific car, a C3, I'd buy one "ready to go" as they don't go for a fortune like the older ones do.  When you get "anything" to restore, like I said in another post, you'll put more into it than it's worth if you do a complete job.  Estimate as accurately as possible what the complete job will hit you in the pocket for and add 50% and you'll be very close to what it will cost you.  But then, the car is really "you" when you're done.  If you sell it, the buyer will forever be driving a car that's an extentioin of someone else. LOL  But it's true.
   All in all, I suppose it's "six of one-half dozen of another."  You buy a very nice C3 and do this-and-that to get it like you want it while you drive the beauty around.  You buy one to restore and in the end the car is really "you,"  and to me, that's very hard to beat.
  
   Hey!!!  This is really a super hard question to answer one way.  I'm a guy who would love a big area in the room my piano is in to have an "engine in progress" on a stand.  I also love to leave really early on a Saturday morning and walk through a good junk yard that has alot of older stuff along with the new and come back home at about two in the afternoon.  I know that everyone is different.  But I'm thinking that damn near all of us, given the chance, would do it both ways.  Did you post this topic to drive some of us crazy??? LOL  Thanks for kick-starting a good "soul-searching" topic.
  
  
C3 Starship
12/1/2007 3:14:08 PM
Very well put there, Texas.
 
I, for one, chose the "build it your way" persuasion.
Soon as I get the "Dang" 454 runnin' and stablized, next comes the electrical and vacuum systems.
I'm kinda doin' a ground up, but not stock by any means.
( not real "Bad", but bad enough.....   )
jwerkjr
12/1/2007 4:16:22 PM
I own an 82 Collectors Edition that I bought from a guy in rural Vermont. I drove nine hours from NY to get it. I've had it about 7 years and have changed nothing (Its original) but the stereo. This year I bought a 2004 stock 6 speed. I love them both but have no time for any tinkering in the garage. I love them the way they are and just bought a lift to convert my two car garage into a three car. Yes, my wife gets one spot. Maybe when I retire I'll get that dream C2 and have some time to work on it. Meanwhile I'll just enjoy the thrill of driving them and trying to decide which one to take out on that beautiful sunny day.
Texas Jim
12/1/2007 7:35:34 PM
I noticed that alot of you guys are in "cold weather states."  I grew up in Ossining, New York and I was involved with alot of motor heads and professional drag cars.  I remember how important and significant the summer months were when it came to cars and motorcycles.  (I remember riding motorcycles in the winter before full-faced helmets, when the snot would run back into the sides of your helmet out of your nose and harden.  When you'd go inside, when you'd make a warm-up stop, you could chip it off with your fingernails.  I rode a rotary valve 250 Kawasaki enduro and then a 3 cylinder two stroke 500 Kawasaki back then.  Some pretty runnin' stuff for the day.)  Guys would work on their hot rides all winter just to drive them on the street on sunny Sundays.  I remember how "pingy" dual exhausts sounded ,with headers run into them, on a cold day when you first started the car. I stand and listen to the pipes on my 'Vette when the weather is chilly and I first start the car. (I remember scrambling on the street in the city in the winter and how cold the weather and (cold-blooded) my trane of thought was.) 
   "Hats off" to you guys who live up north and live for the sunny Saturdays and Sundays when you can take your hot rods out for a spin.  When I got out of the Army, I stayed in Texas specifically for the good hot and dry weather.  You guys who work on your cars more than you drive them are some dedicated folk.  And jwerkjr, you will get to work on your 'Vettes some time soon as you think enough of them to enjoy and appreciate them when you can, depending on your weather and time.  "Hats-off."
ksvette
12/2/2007
I have fixed mine up.  but, would buy one in better condition this time around, but not a show car as I would like to still put my stamp on it. the old saying holds true.  by the best corvette you can afford.  for me at 19 years old that wasn't much.  but now im 26 and love it.  new pain, suspension, engine, transmission, and still have to change my interior.  but, all in all, the car is unique and is me.  I would not trade that for anything.  I ahve also made a lot of great firends along the way and got an automotive shade tree education.  that is worht the invetment as well.  If u want to see the beast there are pics on the thread for putting an lt1 in a c3.  as mine has done that.
DeeVeeEight
12/2/2007 8:25:51 AM
I bought my 79 in October of 2004. It had a 350 in it that was rebuilt - receipts and all, a Richmond 5 speed, newer interior and a ground effects body kit. When I test drove it I thought it was a nice car, I even had my mechanic look it over, check the frame for damage, etc. I paid what I thought was a fair price. It would have been a great deal if everything was as it appeared.
The rebuilt engine ran nice but had serious oil consumption problems, so I pulled it and replaced it with a crate engine. The crate engine was NFG so I replaced that one with a 383 stroker that I had built locally. Approximately 8 grand spent all told on the engine(s).
The front end components all needed replacing - Power steering pump, control valve, steering box and steering column. Approximately a grand in parts and labor.
Brakes - same thing, all new rotors, calipers, pads, master cylinder, parking brake cables and hardware kit and shoes. Maybe another grand spent there.
The Richmond 5 speed had seen some hard service, the tail housing on the trans was reamed out so badly that a new bushing fell inside the trans when we tried to install it. The tail housing was replaced, the transmission was rebuilt and the drive shaft was sent out and balanced. Another grand.
Custom dual exhaust, dual Hi-perf. catalytic converters and flowmasters with an H pipe, just short of another grand.
Cooling problems - man was I ever plagued by cooling problems - new chin spoiler, new radiators (2) one copper/brass, then finally an aluminum one. New high flow water pump, new thermostats, electric fans (later removed), water wetter, new fan clutch, new radiator seal kit, new hoses. Easily another $700 spent there.
I blew the rear at the race track one day. New rear - installed, another $1500.00
Monoleaf rear spring after my steel one separated and collapsed. $400 installed.
New alternator ($ negligible)
New headlight vacuum canisters, maybe another $250.00 installed.
Rebuilt half shafts $180.00
Replace missing A/C compressor and brackets, new heater hoses, heater control valve, heater control vacuum hoses and control head, approximately $450.00
Replace all gauges, speedometer and tach and printed circuit boards, approximately $500.00
Gut interior and insulate with reflectix - $100.00
New stereo system $500.00
Replacement rubber bumpers, front and rear - $500 not installed yet
Lots of miscellaneous labor costs not included here too.....
Five engine changes, Three years of aggravation, troubleshooting and waiting for machine shops and mechanics to pull it all together while I figure out how to pay for it all - AAAAARRRRGGHH!!!!
Priceless.
 
Now don't get me wrong. It's still not done yet. I need new tires and new Bilsteins on all four corners, new leather interior, window adjustments and most of all, a much needed trip to the bodyshop.  Easily another 5 to 10 grand.
 
So the big question - would I do it all again?
 
No - I have learned my lesson. I would take all the money I have spent over the last 3 years and plunk it down on a newer or nicer High Performance Convertible. My 79 is still rough looking even though it is almost 100% perfect mechanically. I could have had a much nicer car by now.
 
Will I ever part with my 79?
 
Not very likely.
 

 
 
jwerkjr
12/2/2007 11:11:59 AM
Just trying to post with my pic. Please bear with me. :)
1974corvetteowner
12/2/2007 11:13:37 AM
If i were to get another one i will deffinately find one with a good interior.  I am not a fan of having to deal with the seats carpet dash and all the other stuff
C3 Starship
12/2/2007 11:43:11 AM
quote:

ORIGINAL: jwerkjr

Just trying to post with my pic. Please bear with me. :)

 
Let me know if I can help.
blueshark
12/2/2007 7:26:16 PM
You forgot one:

 -------All of the above

And the last one should be "I wish I had another vette."   LOL!   ...can never have tooooo many!, ....Right?

I love fixing cars when I don't have too. I only get aggravated when I have to have the car to get around. I guess that's why I have "a few" cars. LOL! That way I am never left hangin'. and always enjoy fixing them. Cheers.
Texas Jim
12/5/2007 8:03:30 AM
  HOLY S___!!!!!!!! DeeVee.  You've really been through it.  You must really know the C3 inside out.  That's the longest "gone through it" list I've seen on this site yet.  I don't thinnk anyone will match that anytime soon.  Surely it runs and drives like you want it.
 
ksvette,  You mentioned a really valuable and untouchable benefit from turning your own wrenches which is, meeting some really good people along the way.  This is a very true statement and one that shouldn't be ignored.  Ofcourse there are some dirt-balls in any group, but there are alot of very helpful, well informed colorful and talented technicians among the world of "motorheads," especially when it comes to Corvettes.  Just look at this site for example, and we're only talking.  Imagine if we were all in the same town or city what associations and relationships would be formed and what events would take place.  Infact, this again brings to mind the suggestioin I made about us possibly meeting up somewhere this coming year sometime just to get together and possibly take in a "Vette/car show"  in the process. 
 
***What do you guys think of giving some thought to "meeting up.?"
 
DeeVeeEight
12/5/2007 2:59:22 PM
Yes Texas Jim, I have been through it. I feel like I know my car pretty well. I don't always turn my own wrenches but I am always at the shop when the car is getting worked on, and I get my hands dirty too. If I did all my own wrenching I would never get her on the road, maybe because I don't even have a garage to work in or maybe because I am a procrastinator. Sometimes you just gotta pay to play!
 
I do like the idea of us getting together for a meet. It is not an easy task seeing as how we are so far spread out. I did take a cross country trip last summer, from NJ to Az., to visit a Corvette buddy from another site. I found out that my new friend has cancer, so it was important to make the trip sooner rather than later.
 
If any of you are ever planning a trip, let us know. We can make arrangements to meet, share a meal, offer assistance or whatever else comes up along the way. We have plenty of time during the winter months to discuss the possibilities!
 

 
 
blueshark
12/5/2007 4:23:41 PM
Meet and greet? Sounds good to me...unless I'm one of the dirtballs, LOL! .....I hope not, but you never know.

I believe this was discussed once before here but kinda fell by the wayside. Sure would be a neat thing to do.

And like DV8 said.....anyone passing thru middle TN. is welcome to stop for a visit. Cheers
C3 Starship
12/5/2007 4:35:55 PM
Ya, it fell out due to the great distances. Like Blueshark says, if you're ever in my neck of the woods, stop by.
Flying Low
12/5/2007 9:14:44 PM
Did anyone make it to Severville,Tn. this year?
I was there a few weeks ago, saw advertising for a corvette event. Should have changed my business trip a couple of days and hung around. Maybe next time.
Texas Jim
12/6/2007 6:52:03 AM
   I do realize the "distance" situation.  I have two kids at home, the youngest only 8, so traveling in the 'Vette means the kids stay with their grandparents for that time.  Even with my wife and I, there's a limited amount of space for luggage.  I do enjoy driving and we usually take a trip, atleast every other year, (w/ the exception of the two plus years we lived in Puerto Rico) from Texas, over to N.C., then up the east coast to New York.  Same route each time. 
   Even if we all wouldn't make a trip, for example, and meet in the middle of the country, what about a "relay" of sorts where from say the "east coast" over as far as Pennsylvania or Kentucky, depending on where the next few site members are, meet the next group (?# of members) the next leg being from there over to the west side of Tennessee or so, from there to somewhere in Texas then on over to Arizona...  We could work it like a relay and divide the mileage up evenly where no group would have to travel more than say a short day in one direction.  Since we do understand that we all have obligations and most likely we would have more success with shorter trips for the each of us and atleast this way we could even relay items, if we wanted, to other site members through one another.  It could be a realy across the country.  It could link us all together through one another.  I think that maybe the "relay" could be successful due to it taking less time and expense where the long trip and meeting up at a central point in the country probably would never happen, like you guys said that happened before.  We could even have the relay stops at a site member's house along the way.  As I write, the relay sounds neater and neater to me.  We could drive our 'Vettes, only use a day to make it happen and actually link each other up through one another.  What do you guys think about it??????
maierar
12/6/2007 7:03:58 AM
I bought a 1980 because I wanted an original C3 ("survivor") and 1980 was the year the 19-character VIN became the industry standard (allowing accurate carfax report). I had to do a few repairs as this car did a lot of sitting over its 20-odd years, but it is all original with 18000 miles and it is a hoot to drive. I take it out at least once a month - much more in the warm weather and I just love it. I would not recommend this course if you are looking for a daily driver (I have a TT Annie for that), but driving and showing is more fun than rebuilding for me.
watwheel
12/6/2007 12:05:06 PM
That is really a hard question to answer because part of me says I could have bought a new vette with the money I put into mine, but the other part really enjoys having a NEW OLD vette which not as many people have.  On top of that thought is the fact it was my first corvette and I have had it for 22 years, although 16 of those years it sat in the barn gathering character.  Overall I guess I would have to say "YES I WOULD DO IT AGAIN"
watwheel
12/6/2007 12:08:08 PM
Hey DV8 I know the feeling.  I've got 30k just in bodywork, parts & paint.  We won't even go into the numbers on Labor!  I like you replaced quite a bit also but it is a BRAND NEW vette!!!
 
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