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RE: Brake Problem - 11/17/2007 6:27:26 AM
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Texas Jim
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Read! I said that it would be a "last resort" for me to look at THAT to be the problem. My question was, how many of us, HONESTLY, FOR SURE, have had that problem exist with their car? Not just heard about it. It's just not a regular occurance. You guys who make these brake systems into such a complicated situation are going overboard. I do think the article that has to do with the "air in from excessive run-out" is a good and in-depth one, which deals with very rare situations at that point. From my experience, not someone else's, you can go through the regular steps for the basic brake system and nine out of ten times the system wil work just fine. I'm sure that this guy who has been working on 'Vettes only for twenty years could have found the "air in from excessive run-out" one or two times, but to tell me that one should look for this problem to exist as ANY first checks is bullshit. You'd have to have everything in perfect working order prior to looking for this problem to exist anyway. These older 'Vette brake systems are easier to get working right than the old drum brake systems. I just did the whole system in my 3/4 ton van, drum rear and disc front, and I'd BY FAR rather do the 'Vette system. It would be easier and quicker. Just the self adjuster and e-brake set-up is more of a pain in the neck than rebuilding a 'Vette caliper. I'm constantly accused of be a fanatic when it comes to having my vehicles just right. I know that I go to extremes when it comes to maintaining my vehicles, but I also know that, again, those brakes aren't rocket science. It almost sounds to me that some of the guys WANT their 'Vette to be some complex lab car. To me, the beauty of the car is it's simplicity and basic systems.
< Message edited by Texas Jim -- 11/18/2007 5:42:31 AM >
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That was a great debate! - 11/17/2007 3:35:54 PM
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pg
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Just to say thanks for making this a great forum.
dar322, you can change just one caliper but change the pads on both sides. When I first got my vette there was a new problem every day for 6 months, I was tempted to pull the Stingray emblems off and put on "Money Pit".
73shark, change the parking brake parts, there are so many times I think "Might as well change that to".
Texas Jim, my thanks to you for making this an enjoyable forum.
You are so correct, vette brakes are easy and it's rare to need more than to install a new caliper or rotor and be back on the road again.
Thanks again to everyone, PG.
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RE: That was a great debate! - 11/17/2007 3:39:58 PM
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pg
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&73shark, you scored 100% on the test.
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RE: That was a great debate! - 11/17/2007 5:17:52 PM
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C3 Starship
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Test? Scores? 
If I had known, I would have studied. 
( ...ah always hated "pop quizes".  )
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RE: That was a great debate! - 11/17/2007 5:22:11 PM
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pg
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Starship you always make me laugh!
See you at you radiator question. PG
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RE: Brake Problem - 11/17/2007 8:38:04 PM
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Parking brake light? I suspect that the switch placement might need to be adjusted. I think it only comes on when the PB is pulled. Not sure on this, but that's the reasoning my twisted mind comes up with.
According to the Service Manual, an imbalance in pressure between front and rear will turn on the "warning light" which is the parking brake lite also. The valve that does this is located on the left frame rail near the clutch cross-shaft. Has brake line to it and an electrical connection. There's a spring loaded spool inside that will move when there's a pressure differential thereby activating the switch.
pg: What test?
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RE: Brake Problem - 11/18/2007 7:04:05 AM
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Texas Jim
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I have to say that this brake discussion has been interesting. I did learn something new which at first was hard for me to accept, since I not only have never run into the problem but have never heard of anyone else running into it either. The article that mentions the problem is interesting and needless to say very complete. To me, it's an article worth my copying and having in my automotive library, which I did. Thanks for hipping me to that one.
I really hope that these kind of discussions make more guys do their own "wrench turning" on their 'Vette as doing so will get them deeper into your 'Vette and be so self-fulfilling in the process. I started out assisting my older brother who was a performance street car and motorcycle nut since the mid-'60s, and when I turned sixteen I went for it on my own. (with a '66 VW Bug that had a 1600 motor and Transporter clutch. I got a 2 bbl. carb and Mallory dual point distributor for it. I could blow off the Super Beetles easily. LOL.) (My brother had a '58 'Vette in '69. He put a 327-365 and a 4:88 rear in it. It was really quite a car.) When I say "assist," that's what I mean as he didn't let anyone touch any of his rides. I'm also a fanatic, but not as far gone as he is. LOL.
Thanks to you guys who are so damn "well informed." You guys make it easy for us "wrench turners" who take your well-researched input and go to work with it. And there are a handful of you who stay active with quality input ALL THE TIME. You know who you are, and you're very valuable to the C3 forum. Thanks for being here.
I hope, again, that I didn't piss anyone off with my directness. I've always said just what I feel, however I have no problem with admitting if and when I'm wrong and apologizing sincerely.
"Long Live the Corvette and it's enthusiasts."
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RE: Brake Problem - 11/18/2007 9:05:25 AM
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C3 Starship
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" I hope, again, that I didn't piss anyone off with my directness. "
Hey, no worries Bro. 
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1980 L-82 Fastback (forward too)
Mono composite front and rear.
Full adjust ride height and
response.
400+ hp, 454, M-22, 3.07
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o225/C3Starship/Patch.jpg
2007 H. D. Sportster, XL 883 EFI
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RE: Brake Problem - 11/18/2007 9:12:44 AM
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C3 Starship
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quote:
ORIGINAL: 73shark
quote:
ORIGINAL: C3 Starship
Parking brake light? I suspect that the switch placement might need to be adjusted. I think it only comes on when the PB is pulled. Not sure on this, but that's the reasoning my twisted mind comes up with.
According to the Service Manual, an imbalance in pressure between front and rear will turn on the "warning light" which is the parking brake lite also. The valve that does this is located on the left frame rail near the clutch cross-shaft. Has brake line to it and an electrical connection. There's a spring loaded spool inside that will move when there's a pressure differential thereby activating the switch.
pg: What test?
Thanks for correcting my ignorance.
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1980 L-82 Fastback (forward too)
Mono composite front and rear.
Full adjust ride height and
response.
400+ hp, 454, M-22, 3.07
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o225/C3Starship/Patch.jpg
2007 H. D. Sportster, XL 883 EFI
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