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Old 07-23-2007, 05:08 PM
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Sorry about the worthless free advice.

Here's the clues...

ORIGINAL: Black Knight I went out the other day and it would not start.
Air, gas, fire problem.

ORIGINAL: Black Knight Anyway, I bought a new battery in and car started right up.
Fire problem -> battery. Solved.

ORIGINAL: Black Knight IWent back1.5 hours later andNO START!
Fire problem -> new battery drained?

Here's where I did the cut n paste for drained battery. Which included pulling fuses. Like your neighbor did. After re-installing fuses, you got a start condition. Since no fuse block connection that's loose will re-instate battery's amperage to the starter, we gotta go back to computer problem.This is where I earlier decided you had a computer related security disablement. But now a 'start' condition. Fire problem ->computer. (unsolved yet)

ORIGINAL: Black Knight He disconnected the battery and reconnected it and told me to start the car. It fired right up!! We went to a restaurant and 2 hours later the same thing happened.
Double confirmation /computer problem beingsolved by power cut-off to computer.

ORIGINAL: Black Knight He disconnected the battery and reconnected it and she fired right up. The only thing I noticed is if the door is open and I hear the key chime, it will start, no chime=no start. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated!! Neighbor says it's got to be a relay or something like that getting reset when the battery is disconnected.
Computer security disablement is re-set; not the relay.

I said computer security disablement first. Let's stick with that.

That's the best guidance there is. Promise.
 
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:38 PM
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CWB: That IS THE LAMEST PIECE OF SH** I've ever seen. Take snipets of a complete and complex statement to try and secure your point! I guess we see your work on the political front EVERY DAY!!!

FACT: The ONLY advice in all your posts wasthe suggestion that the security system could be at fault. The fact that you seem unable to offer ANY constructive applicable information regarding testing, or proving that system is or isn't the cause indicates your lack of real knowledge about it.

Just accept that your mind isn't capable of grasping more than single sentences at a time and live within that arena. You'll be more adept at functioning that way.

By the way, advice, by its very nature is free. Bad advice cost untold dollars, time and lives!

Seeing how you like playing semantics, work on this for a while:
A. I never indiacted there was a battery drain problem, you made that up.
B. The car started when the battery was reconnected, not the fuses. As you well know, the battery must be disconnected to check current draw while pulling fuses to identify contributing circuits.
C. I guess I should have used the word CRANK as start made youassume otherwise. However I did indicate how the lights, speedo, dash lights etc, all came on as they should.

The fact that you turned a request for additional help/information into an opportunity to insult a fellow member is a better indicator of the person you are. I NEVER said the advice was bad, YOU DID! Then you proceeded to flame me for it.

To All Members and Moderators: I apologize for my part in this as I recognize it doesn't belong here. While I willingly accept any censure the board wishes to impose, I ask that they read ALL of this thread before acting against me alone. I always understood forums and car clubs to be a place where one could go to gain help, advice or even solace.
 
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:53 PM
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Hi Black Knight, I'm not trying to put works in your mouth.
Some advise is better than others, I own a C-3 a since I don't have a solution to your problem I did not post a wild guess.
Sometimes I visit this forum 2 or 3 times a day, sometimes I don't get back for 2 or 3 days. There are a lot of experts here, just give tham a chance to help you.
You mentioned Vette Clubs- they are great, You can find someone with your year and pick there brain.
Last word, If I owe a C-3 what am I doing here? I came to learn, what if I find a nice 98 tomorrow, I'd like to know what problems to look for.
Enjoy your new ride, PG.
 
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:48 PM
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Have you tried looking at the fault codes on the computer when you have power available?

Turn key to the ON position without starting the engine. Hold down the options button and the press the fuel button 4 times in rapid sucsession. This should show you any fault current or historic and may help.
 
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:11 PM
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"To All Members and Moderators: I apologize for my part in this as I recognize it doesn't belong here. While I willingly accept any censure the board wishes to impose, I ask that they read ALL of this thread before acting against me alone. I always understood forums and car clubs to be a place where one could go to gain help, advice or even solace."

I accept your apology, and applaud your direct approach. I have read the entire thread, more than once. Yes, some buttons were pushed and there were some knee jerk reactions. In cases of button pushing, a lot of our best techs won't be bothered, they would justrather stay out of it all together.
I must point out, sometimes it takes a few days, maybe a week before the right person with the right answer shows up. I just ask that everyone be patient, the answers are out there, the question just has to get to the right person or persons. We are gaining new members everyday and a lot of them know something that others don't. No one knows it all, but together, we got it pretty well covered. Thus, the Brother and Sisterhood of Vette owners.
 
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:20 PM
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Look dude... There's nothin' to argue about. If I can help you solve your [car] problem, then I learn something too.

Someone presents a problem. The next guy tryin' to help solve it has to cue on just a few of the words. Words like start, white smoke, blown fuse, etc.

When I see "new battery didn't work after a couple of hours", that to me means drained battery. Yes, I saw also that re-connecting it solved the probelm - again.

That's why I went back to my original suggestion, about the security disablement. To which you said "is that the best help", and something about "better guidance".

Still sorry about no "better help", or "better guidance", as you put it. If I'm right about the security disablement, you don't have to say so. If I'm wrong, feel free to enlighten us, and put me in my place.

I hope you get your [car] problem solved.
 
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:11 AM
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"Look dude... There's nothin' to argue about."


So,.......drop it already.
 
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:06 AM
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Hey everyone!! I finally got time to mess with this thing and pulled these codes:

ModuleCode(s)
28-TCS C1255H
60-IPCU1176H
U1160HC
A0-LDCM B2282H
B2284H
U1064H
A1-RDCM B2283H
B2285H
U1064H
B0-RFA U1096H
U1064H

The system also indicated 40-BCM NO COMM. & 99-HVAC NO COMM.

I have further noticed that the windows will not work, the radio will not work, the dome and map lights will not work and the remotes will not work.

Will I have decoded some of the acronyms (I know what BCM, IPC, HVAC, TCS & L/RDCM stand for), I have no idea what the codes indicate.

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!!
 
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:37 PM
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IPC display Functions & code

10 PCM Powertrain control of modules PAGE 6-357 - 6-361 cathedral TIC

A=DTC set immediately and MIL is turned on

B=MIL turned on after 2 consecutive drive trips

C=After one failure and stored in History MIL emergency turned on

P0101 measure of air flow (MAF) system performance - B

P0102 measure of air flow (MAF) sensor Circuit Low frequency - A

P0103 measure of air flow (MAF) sensor Circuit High frequency - A

P0107 manifold absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor Circuit Low volume days - A

P0108 manifold absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor Circuit High volume days - A

P0112 Intake air temperature (IAT) sensor Circuit Low Voltage b

P0113 Intake air temperature (IAT) sensor Circuit High volume days - B

P0117 engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor Low volume days - A

P0118 engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor High volume days - A

P0118 engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Excessive Time ton of Closed loop Fuel control - B

P0131 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Low volume days bank 1 sensor 1-A

P0132 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO25) Circuit High volume days bank 1 sensor 1-A

P0133 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO25) Slow Response bank 1 sensor 1-B

P0134 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO25) Circuit Insufficient Activity bank 1 sensor 1-A

P0135 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Heater Circuit bank 1 sensor 1-B

P0137 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Low volume days bank 1 sensor 2-B

P0138 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit High volume days bank 1 sensor 2-B

P0140 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Insufficient Activity bank 1 sensor 2-B

P0141 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Heater Circuit bank 1 sensor 2-B

P0151 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Low volume days bank 2 sensor 1-A

P0152 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit High volume days bank 2 sensor 1-A

P0153 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Slow Response bank 2 sensor 1-A

P0154 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Insufficient Activity bank 2 sensor 1-A

P0155 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Heater Circuit bank 2 sensor 1-B

P0157 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Low volume days bank 2 sensor 2-B

P0158 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit High volume days bank 2 sensor 2-B

P0160 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Circuit Insufficient Activity bank 2 sensor 2-B

P0161 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Heater Circuit bank 2 sensor 2-B

P0171 Fuel Trim system Lean bank 1-B

P0172 Fuel Trim system Rich bank 1-B

P0174 Fuel Trim system Lean bank 2-B

P0175 Fuel Trim system Rich bank 2-B

P0230 Fuel pump control Circuit - A

P0300 engine Misfire detected b

P0325 Knock sensor (KS) system - B

P0327 Knock sensor (KS) Circuit front - B

P0332 Knock sensor (KS) Circuit Rear - B

P0335 CKP sensor Circuit - A

P0336 CKP sensor Circuit performance - A

P0341 CMP Circuit performance - B

P0342 CMP sensor Circuit Low volume days - B

P0343 CMP sensor Circuit High volume days - B

P0351 Ignition control #1 Circuit - A

P0352 Ignition control #2 Circuit - A

P0353 Ignition control #3 Circuit - A

P0354 Ignition control #4 Circuit - A

P0355 Ignition control #5 Circuit - A

P0356 Ignition control #6 Circuit - A

P0357 Ignition control #7 Circuit - A

P0358 Ignition control #8 Circuit - A

P0410 AIR system b

P0412 AIR Solenoid relay control Circuit b

P0418 AIR pump Relay control Circuit - B

P0420 TWC system Low Efficiency bank 1-A

P0430 TWC system Low Efficiency bank 2-A

P0441 EVAP system NO flow During Purge - B

P0461 Fuel level sensor 1 Circuit performance - C

P0462 Fuel level sensor 1 Circuit Low volume days - C

P0463 Fuel level sensor 1 Circuit High volume days - C

P0480 FC Relay 1 control Circuit - B

P0481 FC Relay 2 and 3 control Circuit - B

P0500 VSS Circuit (M/T) - B

P0506 Idle speed Low - B

P0507 Idle speed High - B

P0522 engine oil Pressure sensor Circuit Low volume days (w/message) - C

P0523 engine oil Pressure sensor Circuit High volume days (w/message) - C

P0530 A/C Refrigerant Pressure sensor Circuit - C

P0562 system volume days Low - C

P0563 system volume days High - C

P0567 Cruise Resume Circuit - C

P0568 Cruise set Circuit - C

P0571 Cruise Brake SWITCH Circuit (M/T) - C

P0601 PCM MEMORY - A

P0602 PCM emergency Programmed - A

P0604 PCM RAM performance - A

P0606 PCM Internal Communication Interrupted - A

P0608 VSS output Circuit - C

P0650 MIL control Circuit b (NO MIL)

P0654 engine speed output Circuit - C

P0704 Clutch SWITCH Circuit (M/T) - B

P0705 transmission rank SWITCH Circuit (A/T) - C

P0706 transmission rank SWITCH performance (A/T) - C

P0801 Reverse Inhibit Solenoid control Circuit (M/T) - C

P0803 1-4 Upshift Solenoid control Circuit (M/T) - B

P0804 1-4 Upshift lamp control Circuit (M/T) - C

P1111 Intake air temperature (IAT) sensor Circuit Intermittent High volume days - C

P1112 Intake air temperature (IAT) sensor Circuit Intermittent Low volume days - C

P1114 ECT sensor Circuit Intermittent Low volume days - C

P1115 ECT sensor Circuit Intermittent High volume days - C

P1120 TP sensor 1 Circuit - A

P1125 APP system - A

P1133 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Insufficient Switching bank 1 sensor 1-8

P1134 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Transition Time ratio bank 1 sensor 1-B

P1153 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Insufficient Switching Bank2 sensor 1-B

P1154 Heated Oxygen sensor (HO2S) Transition Time ratio bank 2 sensor 1-B

P1220 TP sensor 2 Circuit - A

P1221 TP of sensor 1.2 performance - A

P1258 engine Coolant Over Temperature Fuel disabled - A

P1275 APP sensor 1 Circuit C

P1276 APP sensor 1 Circuit performance - C

P1280 APP sensor 2 Circuit - C

P1281 APP sensor 2 Circuit performance - C

P1285 APP sensor 3 Circuit - C

P1286 APP sensor 3 Circuit performance - C

P1380 EB (T) cm DTC Detected rough road DATA Unusable - C

P1381 Misfire Detected - NO EB (T) cm/CPCM Serial DATA - V

P1415 AIR system bank 1-B

P1416 AIR system bank 2-B

P1431 Fuel level sensor 2 Circuit performance - C

P1432 Fuel level sensor 2 Low volume days - C

P1433 Fuel level sensor 2 High volume days - C

P1441 Evaporative emission (EVAP) system flow During Non Purge b

P1S14TAC system MAF performance - A

P1515 COMMAND vs Actual Throttle position performance (PCM of modules) - A

P1516 COMMAND vs Actual Throttle position performance (TAC of modules) - A

P1S17TAC of modules Processor A

P1518 PCM ton of TAC of modules Serial DATA Circuit -

P1539 A/C Clutch status Circuit High volume days - C

P1545 A/C Clutch Relay control Circuit - C

P1546 A/C Clutch status Circuit Low volume days - C

P1571 ASR Desired torques - C

P1574 stop lamp control Circuit - C

P1575 Extended Travel Brake SWITCH Circuit High volume days - C

P1626 Theft Deterrent system Fuel enable Circuit - C

P1630 Theft Deterrent system PCM in Learn mode - C

P1631 Theft Deterrent system password Incorrect C

P16355 volt of Reference #1 Circuit b

P16395 volt of Reference #2 Circuit b

P1644 Delivered torques output Circuit - C

P1652 Powetrain Induced chassis pitch output Circuit -

28 TCS Traction control system ABS on PAGE 5-86

C1214 Sol valve relay Contact or coil CKT open

C1217 BPMV pump engine Relay Contact CKT open

C1221 LF Wheel speed sensor input signal is 0

C1222 RF Wheel speed sensor input signal is 0

C1223 LR Wheel speed sensor input signal is 0

C1224 RR Wheel speed sensor input signal is 0

C1225 RF Excessive Wheel speed variation

C1226 LF Excessive Wheel speed variation

C1227 LR Excessive Wheel speed variation

C1228 RR Exc
 
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Old 07-28-2007, 07:48 PM
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Most of your codes are historic (i.e. have an H after them). The one that is current and the ones that indicate no communication between certain devices. Either wiring or a suspect computing resource would be my guess. As it is affecting multiple different things I would suspec the later. Did you or anyone else do any work on the vehicle and could have dislodged some wires or upset the computing resource?
 


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